Aviation Photographers of Southern Ca.

The following According to what I have Heard. I posted This for the calander Entry on the February Calander.

The Naval Aviation Centennial events should start on the 10 of February 2011 and continue in San Diego until the 13th of February 2011 and at all Blue Angel Air Shows in 2011, Closing December 3-5 in Washington D.C. this Centennial opening will be an Air Demonstration the likes have never been seen before. There will be many viewing locations along both sides of San Diego Harbor.  The USS Midway Museum is Air Show Center  for the flying, and official host for Centennial Activities.  150 aircraft are to participate in the Aerial Demonstration including the Blue Angels. There will be Centennial activities at every Blue Angel Air Show in 2011.

At North Island there is a civilian designated as a Centennial PAO I'll call and make an appointment and get additional info.

AWWWWWESOME!!!!!!!!  I will definitely be there. Looking forward to it.Thanks for the info. Rander.<usnflag>

Hey Rander. If you could get more info. from NASI PAO,that would be just great.

One thing that worries me about this show is the poor weather that can be down in SD during Feb. I remember staying at the Hotel Coronado for a Valentine's Day and it was cold and yucky. Really did not make being outside very much fun. Also can have low ceilings this time of the year down there.

Quote from: seaninsa on December 06, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
One thing that worries me about this show is the poor weather that can be down in SD during Feb. I remember staying at the Hotel Coronado for a Valentine's Day and it was cold and yucky. Really did not make being outside very much fun. Also can have low ceilings this time of the year down there.

That's all right it is a La Nina year, it will be dry and 80 :P

I've asked off from the office for the day...I'll be along too and likely carpooling with some other photographers.

So who of us is "state accredited"?


From the site:

"Media representatives desiring to attend the Open House should complete the form below and fax valid state accreditation"



Or should we interpret this as to state what our accredidation is?

I mean for example I am chief of photography for an aviation magazine, an ISAP and ASMP member.

Quote from: garphoto.com on December 07, 2010, 04:40:50 PM
So who of us is "state accredited"?


From the site:

"Media representatives desiring to attend the Open House should complete the form below and fax valid state accreditation"



Or should we interpret this as to state what our accredidation is?

I mean for example I am chief of photography for an aviation magazine, an ISAP and ASMP member.

According toi what I heard the state accreditation maybe a Photo ID like a driver liscense or in my case a Navy retired Id Card.[/co

That is correct, your Federally issued Driver licence, Passport, S.S.Card,

Quote from: Jbong on December 07, 2010, 10:26:07 PM
That is correct, your Federally issued Driver licence, Passport, S.S.Card,

You mean State issued driver liscense in other words a picture ID

I am hearing that the first of the display aircraft will be arriving onboard North Island on January 7th. They're will be at least one of every aircraft the Navy, Marine Corps or Coast Guard has ever flown since 1911 in the static display area in and around Building 341 HS-10's hanger. I'll have my camera there to get as many of the static display arrivals as possible.

HS-8's Retro painted helo was transfered to HS-25 in Guam.

I am told that Shayne Meder will be at Building 341 to throw some paint on a HS-4 Helo starting January 08 for about one week. I'll see you there Shayne.

Major Manufacturer/sponsor displays will start going up next week

ON February  12, 2011 , I hearing the "Parade of Flight" will begin about 1PM and willl include at least 100 aircraft.
Operated by the Navy, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard.

FYI from Fencecheck thread:

"The aircraft participating in the Parade will stage out of other locations.

Air Wing 9 (Stennis) is to fly out of Miramar, 30+ planes. not sure where centennial paint planes will come from. The Helos I hear will fly out of Imperial Beach/Ream Field while the
warbirds will use Gillespie and Brown."



I hope then they DON'T fly those centenial planes and leave them parked at NI for us to oogle at.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 07, 2011, 09:52:35 PM
FYI from Fencecheck thread:

"The aircraft participating in the Parade will stage out of other locations.

Air Wing 9 (Stennis) is to fly out of Miramar, 30+ planes. not sure where centennial paint planes will come from. The Helos I hear will fly out of Imperial Beach/Ream Field while the
warbirds will use Gillespie and Brown."



I hope then they DON'T fly those centenial planes and leave them parked at NI for us to oogle at.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I doub't seriously any jets will fly from Gillespie with their noise restrctions and all maybe the  piston powered  aircraft. Jets I'd say Miramar and oR MCAS Camp Pendleton. All The static displays will be at NI along with the USS Stennis that will be availabe for open house on Saturday. and LPH also. NAS North Island wil be  open house on 02/12 from 8am until 5 pm. NI's runway available for emerrgenciy landings only.

When do the gates open and will the Stennis be open for tours right away? The Midway being my favorite museum and all, I'd love to get a look at a Nimitz class supercarrier.

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 08, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
When do the gates open and will the Stennis be open for tours right away? The Midway being my favorite museum and all, I'd love to get a look at a Nimitz class supercarrier.

As per what I know right now,  Gates to the Base open at 8AM and Close at 5PM The Stennis should  observe the same schedule. The
Stennis and a LPH should be at North Island a few days before the Centennial. If I hear anything different I'll let you know.

Also The Midway Museum's Piasecki HUP-2 Retreiver helicopter that I am helping to restore will be one of the static display aircraft.
For Pics See my Facebook Page

now to find out where the birds on nasni will be parked...

Robert

Quote from: Raaver on January 09, 2011, 10:07:37 AM
now to find out where the birds on nasni will be parked...

Robert

The Static Display Aircraft will be at building 341 THe Blimp Hanger.  The aircraft taking part in the "Parade OF Flight" will fly in from other San Diego area airfields.   North Island will be open house on the 12TH, THe Runways at NI will be for Emergencies only. Much of the aircraft Parking ramps will be for car parking only.  My best estimated wild assed guess THe Jets  from Miramar, Helos from Ream Field (Navy) Camp Pendleton and Miramar (USMC) and Coast Guard Air Station. Warbirds (Props) from Gillespie Field, Montgomery Field, or Brown Field.  I'll update this as we get closer to   February 12th.

Are the Centennial Jets flying or static?

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 09, 2011, 03:08:19 PM
Are the Centennial Jets flying or static?

I've heard there will be a 'Centenial Garden,' which to me implies they will not be flying.

All predictions right or double your $$ back.

Quote from: SBGrad on January 09, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
I've heard there will be a 'Centenial Garden,' which to me implies they will not be flying.

All predictions right or double your $$ back.

If an aircraft is to fly its not going to be there on static.   I think it depends on the preferences of the individual squadrons I would guess.  Same with the warbirds, if they want to fly, they can't be on static.

Quote from: SBGrad on January 09, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
I've heard there will be a 'Centenial Garden,' which to me implies they will not be flying.

All predictions right or double your $$ back.

I'd go with that answer as well. Considering the size of the formation(s) we probably wouldn't be able to see the paint schemes that well anyhow, --I'm betting they'll be flying considerably higher than air show standard. Anyone care to cast doubt on my theory? (please, I would rather be wrong on that).

From fencecheck:

"...(most of) the centennial planes are supposed to go to NI for the static displays."

"The PA of El Centro has said that all aircrat for the flypast over San Diego will be operating from Brown Field and Miramar ONLY."

BTW - should I even post info from Fencecheck here guys? A lot of us are on there anyway.

Kevin
aero-engineer

As far as I am concerned You Can put what you see on Fence Check Here.   Just adds to what I see and hear.
It also gives me material for questions to ask when I"m at North Island.

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 09, 2011, 03:08:19 PM
Are the Centennial Jets flying or static?

Kevin
aero-engineer

Kevin: there are 2 groups of aircraft for the Centennial, Static And the Flight Aircraft.

The static aircraft (A)will be flown in, (B)will fly in on their own, (C)or will be trucked in to North Island for display. At least one of  every aircraft the Navy ever flew since 1911.

The Flight aircraft will fly to Miramar or Brown Field and will stage in those locations.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/)

The public can visit carrier Stennis from 9 a.m. to noon, and tour the amphibious warship Peleliu and destroyer Pinckney from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

The Navy advises people to arrive early. Authorities say as many as 50,000 people will visit North Island on Feb. 12th to tour the ships and observe the flyover.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 14, 2011, 11:03:26 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/)

The public can visit carrier Stennis from 9 a.m. to noon, and tour the amphibious warship Peleliu and destroyer Pinckney from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

The Navy advises people to arrive early. Authorities say as many as 50,000 people will visit North Island on Feb. 12th to tour the ships and observe the flyover.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Wow, 3 whopping hours? The tour must be a jog through the hangar deck and down the flight deck and then down a zip line to the dock.

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 14, 2011, 11:13:49 PM
Wow, 3 whopping hours? The tour must be a jog through the hangar deck and down the flight deck and then down a zip line to the dock.

Makes total sense to me.  I'm guessing the Navy is gonna put their VIPs (and/or press) on the roof to watch the flyover.

As always, all predictions guaranteed or double your $$ back.

Quote from: SBGrad on January 15, 2011, 06:09:47 AM
Makes total sense to me.  I'm guessing the Navy is gonna put their VIPs (and/or press) on the roof to watch the flyover.

As always, all predictions guaranteed or double your $$ back.

Sure, but I don't know how they expect to move the amount of people that *could* show up through there in 3 hours. It's going to involve shuffling through elbow to elbow and just walking out the other side. I've had tours like that of a C-5 at many an airshow. ;)

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 15, 2011, 09:18:39 AM
Sure, but I don't know how they expect to move the amount of people that *could* show up through there in 3 hours. It's going to involve shuffling through elbow to elbow and just walking out the other side. I've had tours like that of a C-5 at many an airshow. ;)

Hopefully they'll give the media tours on Fri.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I'm hopeing for a Parade of Flight rehearsal on friday 02/11

I'm in for this one  ;D

Looking forward to it as well! I'll be there. It is going to be awesome.

"We are expecting around 200 flyers and about 75 static displays all total with vintage and modern aircraft. "

Kevin
aero-engineer

I am in and Bob as well ( Augsburg Eagle).

My friend Chris and I will be heading down Thursday morning.

I'll be there friday 11th!!! 8)

ill be there friday

I was By the CONA hanger today, and asked if there was going to be a dress rehersal flight on Friday February 11TH?

The answer was "NO" not like friday before an air show. Due to the close proxmity of Lindburgh Field Pre Saturday practices will most generally be out over the Pacific Ocean. Air Wing 9 aircraft and I suspect many of the Jet Powered aircraft will use Area  W-291 out over the ocean.

The Warbirds flying out of Brown field, Romona airport, others near by,  and as far away as The Van Nays airport May at times make singular passes up the Parade of Flight Route. These passes will not be announced, and will by your good fortune to catch in flight.

Yep, I didn't expect there would be a friday flight.

I'll be down the Thursday the 10th.

Quote from: desert rat on January 21, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Not sure why going down on Thursday or Friday during the day unless some of you have media credentials?

Viewing from Pt. Loma, you'd see some arrivals at  NI, no?

Quote from: desert rat on January 21, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Not sure why going down on Thursday or Friday during the day unless some of you have media credentials?

Many other things to do in San Diego.   I don't get down there much, so there is plenty to hold my attention.

Quote from: warbirdfotos on January 21, 2011, 11:05:14 AM
Viewing from Pt. Loma, you'd see some arrivals at  NI, no?

Or the other *very likely* beach approach to 29. If I was available thursday I'd be there to grab the CoNA birds arriving.

Quote from: warbirdfotos on January 21, 2011, 11:05:14 AM
Viewing from Pt. Loma, you'd see some arrivals at  NI, no?

Sure, but with with anything less than 500mm you'd be doing some serious cropping.  Plus, from Pt Loma, you'd only see aircraft landing on 36, sometimes they come in on 29.  The best place to watch helos take off/land is Harbor Island (free parking is limited).

Still, if you came in on Thurs or Fri and couldn't get on base, you could watch from Pt Loma, Harbor Island, Coronado beach and Ream and you'd see whatever is flying.

60S from Harbor Island:
(https://apsocal.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2692%2F4457050867_7bc3779db5_o.jpg&hash=fbb5e92b62f4d538b2c5ae2a8ddb56088bc2295e) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18842924@N03/4457050867/)

C-2 from Harbor Island:
(https://apsocal.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2734%2F4297132983_7cefb9c94f_b.jpg&hash=9ed5516adef321c47407ea1e938869c5337ba721) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18842924@N03/4297132983/)

BTW, that C-2 is the ONLY picture I have of a fixed wing aircraft coming in to land on 18.  The C-2s do it every once in a while, and bigger stuff (C-17s, C-5s) do it every once in a GREAT while.  The big guys actually come in like they are headed to Lindbergh, but they stay up higher and make a left turn to 18 about halfway down the KSAN runway.  99.999% of the fixed wing aircraft I've seen land at NI come in on 29 or 36.


I'd put something up from Pt Loma, but I don't have anything, never had any jets come in while I was up there.

is there a reason why most people are going thursday instead of friday?

Quote from: SBGrad on January 21, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Sure, but with with anything less than 500mm you'd be doing some serious cropping.  Plus, from Pt Loma, you'd only see aircraft landing on 36, sometimes they come in on 29.  The best place to watch helos take off/land is Harbor Island (free parking is limited).


C-2 from Harbor Island:
(https://apsocal.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2734%2F4297132983_7cefb9c94f_b.jpg&hash=9ed5516adef321c47407ea1e938869c5337ba721) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18842924@N03/4297132983/)

BTW, that C-2 is the ONLY picture I have of a fixed wing aircraft coming in to land on 18.  The C-2s do it every once in a while, and bigger stuff (C-17s, C-5s) do it every once in a GREAT while.  The big guys actually come in like they are headed to Lindbergh, but they stay up higher and make a left turn to 18 about halfway down the KSAN runway.  99.999% of the fixed wing aircraft I've seen land at NI come in on 29 or 36.

It's not a normal proceedure for a runway 18 approach The C-2A's usually fly up the harbor, do a Touch and go on 18 then fly round to 29 and do a full stop landing there. Some bigger aircraft may fly  Runway-18 approach by the Lindburgh Field Approach. At 1/2 mile turn left toward the harbor turn right over water and turn left again to land on 18.

Quote from: g0_command0 on January 21, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
is there a reason why most people are going thursday instead of friday?

I was thinking the same thing....maybe arrivals?

Quote from: Realbigtaco on January 21, 2011, 10:19:02 PM
I was thinking the same thing....maybe arrivals?

Static display arrivals should start arriving on the 7th, those that can fly in under their own power 8th- 10th All the static displays should be in place on the 11th for media day.  In building 341 the north bay will be for Pre WWII aircraft. The south bay will be for WWII-Korean war aircraft. Some of the larger aircraft maybe outside.  All later aircraft will be outside

I'm definitely planning on going, but more than likely it will be Saturday.

This list is courtesy of Liza at Fencecheck

FEB 12 NORTH ISLAND OPEN HOUSE EVENTS

0900-1300 MORNING ACTIVITIES

CURTISS A-1 TRIAD DEMONSTRATION
LCACs ANCHORED FOR SHOW
CLASSIC CARS (AWARDS AT 1230)
STATIC AIRCRAFT DISPLAYS (70+ PLANES)
SHIP TOURS (CVN/LHA/DDG)
METAL MULISHA MOTORCYCLE STUNT SHOWS (1100 & 1200)
FOOD AND BEVERAGE
SOUVENIR BOOTHS
SQUADRON / COMMAND BOOTHS
WALK AROUND ENTERTAINERS
KIDS ZONE INCLUDING INTERACTIVE INFLATABLES
ULTIMATE VIDEO GAME PARTY TRUCK
CENTENNIAL VILLAGE DISPLAYS
LIVE STAGE ENTERTAINMENT
- DJ EDDIE-G
- DJ PATRICK BRODNICKI
- DRUM/PERCUSSION GROUP 'BANG'
- SCHOOL OF ROCK
- SAFETY ORANGE
- SWEETHEARTS OF SWING
- JACQUELINE MACKENZIE
- SEVEN
- NAVY SHOWBAND WEST
- NAVY BAND 'DESTROYERS'

1300-1530 AFTERNOON ACTIVITIES

OPENING CEREMONIES
LEAP FROGS
PARADE OF FLIGHT INCLUDING 200+ PLANES
LCACs ANCHORED FOR SHOW
CLASSIC CARS
STATIC AIRCRAFT DISPLAYS (70+ PLANES)
SHIP TOURS (LHA/DDG)
FOOD AND BEVERAGE
SOUVENIR BOOTHS
SQUADRON / COMMAND BOOTHS
WALK AROUND ENTERTAINERS
KIDS ZONE INCLUDING INTERACTIVE INFLATABLES
ULTIMATE VIDEO GAME PARTY TRUCK
CENTENNIAL VILLAGE DISPLAYS
- CORONADO HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION                 
- NASA
- FLYING LEATHERNECK AVIATION MUSEUM
- USS MIDWAY
- NAVAL HELICOPTER ASSOCIATION
- FLEET WEATHER CENTER
- MARINE CORPS RECRUIT DEPOT

1530-1900 LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING ACTIVITIES

LIVE STAGE ENTERTAINMENT
- BUCK FORD
- AINJEL EMME
- SONS OF THE LAWLESS   

 

From Facebook:

Centennial of Naval Aviation Kick Off San Diego

The Navy's Blue Angel Flight Demonstration Team won't be "performing" during the open house, but they will make a preseason appearance to lead the Parade of Flight on Feb 12th

Quote from: nmcbride on January 23, 2011, 07:23:51 PM
From Facebook:

Centennial of Naval Aviation Kick Off San Diego

The Navy's Blue Angel Flight Demonstration Team won't be "performing" during the open house, but they will make a preseason appearance to lead the Parade of Flight on Feb 12th

Yep, it's supposed to be just a Delta pass... but, I wouldn't be surprised to see the DBO (Delta Break Out.)

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 24, 2011, 06:24:58 AM
Yep, it's supposed to be just a Delta pass... but, I wouldn't be surprised to see the DBO (Delta Break Out.)

I would be amazed (and not in a good way) to see a Delta Breakout.  Every time I've seen the maneuver, the aircraft are perpendicular to the crowd line.  The way I understand it, the flyover is parallel to dual crowd lines-- one of each side of the bay.  Not to mention that there are lots of obstacles downtown and I doubt they'd perform a dynamic maneuver without practicing it first.

YMMV.

It's a benign, non-aggressive maneuver with no heavy pulls or inverted flight, and they've done it at a NASCAR flyover in a busy city before (Richmond VA) during Winter Training. Requires no on site practice, just the same good show site info they take of every location they fly at.

Reference your being amazed "not in a good way"... I guess you don't trust the team/FAA to decide what is safe? Maybe they'll do nothing but fly over, and maybe they'll do the DBO... but either way, I wouldn't be aghast to see anything they might do.

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 24, 2011, 06:24:58 AM
Yep, it's supposed to be just a Delta pass... but, I wouldn't be surprised to see the DBO (Delta Break Out.)

Courious to wonder how much the Blues could do with the tall buildings and continuing traffic at Lindburgh traffic.. ect..

Quote from: rander on January 24, 2011, 02:20:07 PM
Courious to wonder how much the Blues could do with the tall buildings and continuing traffic at Lindburgh traffic.. ect..

If they were clear to fly through, then they could do a simple maneuver like the DBO. They wouldn't track back on their course and would continue the direction they were headed. That's if they were to do anything.

Quote from: rander on January 24, 2011, 02:20:07 PM
Courious to wonder how much the Blues could do with the tall buildings and continuing traffic at Lindburgh traffic.. ect..

I thought i heard that KSAN was being shut down for 15 minutes?

Most flights into Lindburgh Terminate or Originate here  and depending on when the Leap Frogs are done jumping , and what the local time is there are short periods when the traffic pattern into Lindburgh Field maybe vacant for several minutes, That might give the Blue Angels a few minutes to do a short program in front of the USS Stennis over the turning channel and have the area over Lindburgh Field and North Island to maneuver

I copied this from Fencecheck

First, airplanes won't be the only thing flying. The US Navy Leap Frogs will also be flying through the air and are scheduled for three separate jumps.

We expect 73 total static displays ranging from the Navy's first aircraft, The Curtis Triad, to our newest unmanned aerial vehicle. That total is made up of 44 current inventory aircraft (16 with heritage paint schemes) from the Coast Guard, Marines and Navy, and 29 historic Navy warbirds including the F4U Corsair, PB4Y-2 Privateer, SNJ Texan, SNB Kansan, PV-2 Harpoon, TA-4J, JN-4H Jenny, SNJ Texan, OV-10 Bronco, A-1 Triad, UH-1B Huey, HU-16 Albatross, A-1 Skyraider, T-28 Trojan, T-34B Mentor, TBM Avenger, SNJ Texan, TD2C-1 Culver, N2S Stearman, N3N Canary, and T-34B Mentor. There should also be Marine aircraft on the USS Peleliu and an SH-60R on the USS Pinckney.

The Parade of Flight will be composed of 190 aircraft the span the century of Naval Aviation. There will be more than 160 current inventory aircraft from the Coast Guard, Marines and Navy. The finale will be a 30 plus plane formation fly-by from Carrier Air Wing 9 of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group. The Blue Angels will lead the Parade of flight and will be followed by almost 30 historic Navy warbirds including the STM Ryan, N3N Canary, N2S Stearman, SNJ Texan, SNB Kansan, FM-2 Wildcat, F6F Hellcat, F8F Bearcat, F4U Corsair, TBM Avenger, SBD Dauntless, PV-2 Harpoon, SB2C Helldiver, HU-16 Albatross, Four T-28 Trojans, Four T-34B Mentors, A-1 Skyraider, FJ-4 Fury, T-2 Buckeye, and T-33B Shooting Star.   

Quote from: rander on January 24, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
I copied this from Fencecheck

First, airplanes won't be the only thing flying. The US Navy Leap Frogs will also be flying through the air and are scheduled for three separate jumps.

We expect 73 total static displays ranging from the Navy's first aircraft, The Curtis Triad, to our newest unmanned aerial vehicle. That total is made up of 44 current inventory aircraft (16 with heritage paint schemes) from the Coast Guard, Marines and Navy, and 29 historic Navy warbirds including the F4U Corsair, PB4Y-2 Privateer, SNJ Texan, SNB Kansan, PV-2 Harpoon, TA-4J, JN-4H Jenny, SNJ Texan, OV-10 Bronco, A-1 Triad, UH-1B Huey, HU-16 Albatross, A-1 Skyraider, T-28 Trojan, T-34B Mentor, TBM Avenger, SNJ Texan, TD2C-1 Culver, N2S Stearman, N3N Canary, and T-34B Mentor. There should also be Marine aircraft on the USS Peleliu and an SH-60R on the USS Pinckney.

The Parade of Flight will be composed of 190 aircraft the span the century of Naval Aviation. There will be more than 160 current inventory aircraft from the Coast Guard, Marines and Navy. The finale will be a 30 plus plane formation fly-by from Carrier Air Wing 9 of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group. The Blue Angels will lead the Parade of flight and will be followed by almost 30 historic Navy warbirds including the STM Ryan, N3N Canary, N2S Stearman, SNJ Texan, SNB Kansan, FM-2 Wildcat, F6F Hellcat, F8F Bearcat, F4U Corsair, TBM Avenger, SBD Dauntless, PV-2 Harpoon, SB2C Helldiver, HU-16 Albatross, Four T-28 Trojans, Four T-34B Mentors, A-1 Skyraider, FJ-4 Fury, T-2 Buckeye, and T-33B Shooting Star.   

:o  190 aircraft!!  I wonder if they are just going to curve around the bay?  I also wonder if Cabrillo National Monument might be a good spot?

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 14, 2011, 11:03:26 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/13/public-invited-visit-three-san-diego-warships/)

The public can visit carrier Stennis from 9 a.m. to noon, and tour the amphibious warship Peleliu and destroyer Pinckney from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

The Navy advises people to arrive early. Authorities say as many as 50,000 people will visit North Island on Feb. 12th to tour the ships and observe the flyover.

Kevin
aero-engineer

More news on touring the Stennis from Facebook...

Quote
Centennial of Naval Aviation Kick Off San Diego USS John C Stennis will only be available for limited public viewing. Entrance to all ships will be free, but will be require a ticket obtained at the open house. Visitors will not be allowed to come onboard USS John C Stennis after 11 a.m. and all visitors will have to be off the ship by noon. USS Peleliu and USS Pinckney will remain open until 4 p.m.

Pretty tight schedule if one wants to tour the carrier.

the way you're saying about the flightpath, it's ideal to sit near the big hangars/ramp of the helos, so they'll bank "towards" you?

Robert

From an Oct 2010 briefing about the year of events.
The CONA Kickoff San Diego slide had this in the corner.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Kevin:

The two black roofed buildings are building 341, Where the Static display aircraft will be.

The North Bay is for Pre WWII aircraft. Bay nearest the water
the south By is for WWII-Korean War

Thanks Google Earth for the image.

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 26, 2011, 09:05:14 PM
From an Oct 2010 briefing about the year of events.
The CONA Kickoff San Diego slide had this in the corner.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Obviously it appears the red arrows (ha) are going to be the Stennis airwing flyover, and the green arrows would be the regular parade aircraft (since those will probably be in singles or sections.)

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 27, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
Obviously it appears the red arrows (ha) are going to be the Stennis airwing flyover, and the green arrows would be the regular parade aircraft (since those will probably be in singles or sections.)

Is that what that was?  I was trying to figure out how you would get 30 aircraft to bank like that.  Looks like it is coming right from the sun... :-\

If the red arrows are truly the (Stennis) fly over path, and the arrows are in the right place them the middle arrow is going over my place.  I'd guess the actual flyover will be completely over the base.  Pt Loma /might/ be better for taking pix of the Stennis aircraft.

YMMV.

Quote from: SBGrad on January 27, 2011, 06:40:45 AM
If the red arrows are truly the (Stennis) fly over path, and the arrows are in the right place them the middle arrow is going over my place.  I'd guess the actual flyover will be completely over the base.  Pt Loma /might/ be better for taking pix of the Stennis aircraft.

YMMV.

I have a high school friend that will be on that cruise and I will text him to see if he can confirm the path of the airwing flyby.  He's with the E-2 sqd out of Pt Mugu.

Quote from: Realbigtaco on January 27, 2011, 06:20:01 AM
Is that what that was?  I was trying to figure out how you would get 30 aircraft to bank like that.  Looks like it is coming right from the sun... :-\

I'm assuming, one of the main basis for my thinking it is that exact reason... if they fly over as a mass formation similar to a fleet return (which I'm hoping they do) I don't imagine they'd follow that parade route. And yep, sun is gonna kick our butts for the head on.  :( What good is a tail shot gonna be...

Quote from: SBGrad on January 27, 2011, 06:40:45 AM
If the red arrows are truly the (Stennis) fly over path, and the arrows are in the right place them the middle arrow is going over my place.  I'd guess the actual flyover will be completely over the base.  Pt Loma /might/ be better for taking pix of the Stennis aircraft.

YMMV.

I was thinking Pt Loma myself a month ago, but wasn't sure if it would be a good idea since I had no clue for sure where that flyby would be... now I feel even more confident about that idea, but I don't know if I want to be so far off base (just have the feeling I'd be missing something).

as i see it, a good spot might be around the (black) hangars (on Randers pic) or as far as to the left of them...
sun in the back, and banking...?

Robert

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 26, 2011, 09:05:14 PM
From an Oct 2010 briefing about the year of events.
The CONA Kickoff San Diego slide had this in the corner.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I don't honestly know what thise Red Arrows are for in the image in reply #65. I believe the green arrow route is more acccurite as to the actual route of the Parade of Flight as organizers have  stated that "There will be many viewing locations along San Diego Harbor."

Quote from: rander on January 27, 2011, 09:57:23 AM
I don't honestly know what thise Red Arrows are for in the image in reply #65. I believe the green arrow route is more acccurite as to the actual route of the Parade of Flight as organizers have  stated that "There will be many viewing locations along San Diego Harbor."

I don't think the CVW-9 aircraft are going to follow the parade route, unless they break off into sections or gaggles... so I think that's what the red arrows are there for. Makes sense to me...

I'll put this out there:

Looking at highly detailed "powerpoint engineering" graphic showing the flightpaths, it appears that the red goes right over where a carrier would be berthed.

Given that they are shutting down the Stennis midday prior to the flyover, I bet that the flightdeck will serve as "show center/review stand" and be the viewing location for the official Navy brass and VIPs.

Makes sense.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 27, 2011, 10:59:32 PM
Given that they are shutting down the Stennis midday prior to the flyover, I bet that the flightdeck will serve as "show center/review stand" and be the viewing location for the official Navy brass and VIPs.

Yah, that's what I was saying in this thread about a week and a half ago.  I've heard there will be an area set aside for press photographers, but not sure if it will be on the roof or what.

Thing is, the Navy is probably solving for the most dramatic appearance of the flyover, they probably aren't thinking about how to make it easy for photographers.  As others have said, you want to be offset and upsun of the flight path for the best pictures, and I doubt if that will be show center.

On the bright side, there will be enough of us there, in probably a bunch of different places, so SOMEBODY should get a good shot.

I just test flew the parade route in a Superbug in FSX, and can report that it's possible to fly the route at 550 to 650 kts and still easily follow North Island's north side without straying onto the Lindbergh side of the water. So hopefully we could see some fast passes, hopefully yielding some shots like example #3.  ;)

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Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 28, 2011, 07:52:21 AM
I just test flew the parade route in a Superbug in FSX, and can report that it's possible to fly the route at 550 to 650 kts and still easily follow North Island's north side without straying onto the Lindbergh side of the water. So hopefully we could see some fast passes, hopefully yielding some shots like example #3.  ;)

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Showoff....

Quote from: Realbigtaco on January 28, 2011, 12:25:36 PM
Showoff....

Hey, I think this is a good use of FSX as an intelligence gathering tool  ;)  :D


Here is a video of what I am interpreting as the parade route... in a high speed pass down the route:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtN6JqXrBA

Watch in HD when available... (for some reason 720p is smoothest)

did you simulate it with a C-2? i did, they go about 250-300kts. add the formation, it's totally doable...
i think the centenial static is a nice spot to be at then.
my 2ct...

Robert

Quote from: Raaver on January 28, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
did you simulate it with a C-2? i did, they go about 250-300kts. add the formation, it's totally doable...
i think the centenial static is a nice spot to be at then.
my 2ct...

Robert

So far I just did the F/A-18E... I can try flying it with an E-2C (don't have a C-2 unfortunately), a Legacy Bug, S-3, P-3, P-8, EA-6B, KC-130...

Though if a Superbug at 600 kts can navigate the channel there, anything will. I still think the mass formation will follow the red lines for a straight over pass.

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 28, 2011, 02:24:34 PM
So far I just did the F/A-18E... I can try flying it with an E-2C (don't have a C-2 unfortunately), a Legacy Bug, S-3, P-3, P-8, EA-6B, KC-130...

Though if a Superbug at 600 kts can navigate the channel there, anything will. I still think the mass formation will follow the red lines for a straight over pass.

Let's see if you can fly the 30 plane air group in tight formation curving around the bay.  It might take you awhile, but you can do it.

You know i was hoping to see a couple high speed passes through the bay, and not the typical 250 kts pass and review.  Tear that $h!t up!!  Show us what the US NAVY is all about!

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 26, 2011, 09:05:14 PM
From an Oct 2010 briefing about the year of events.
The CONA Kickoff San Diego slide had this in the corner.

Kevin
aero-engineer

1.    In reference to The Image in post #65, I was told that the Air Wing 9 aircraft will assemble out to sea and make a single ONE time pass approximately the heading of the RED arrows. There will not be a return pass. When this pass is announced have your cameras ready and snap as fast as you can that all your going to get. All other Parade of Flight aircraft will follow the route of the GREEN arrows

2.   The reason the visiting hours onboard the USS Stennis are only from 9am until 12  Noon Is that the USS Stennis will host up to 1300 dignataries and special Invited guests. the uss Stennis will be Air Show center For those watching onboard only. Depending on where the USS Stennis is berthed I believe They will Miss the Air Wing 9 flyover!  I also believe The USS Midway will be to far away from the Air Wing 9 flyover to get good shots of it.

HINT: I was told that the best vantage point for all fly over aircraft maybe just west of building 341 in the static dsplay area  and along the fence that extends west from Building 341 and next to Moffett Road.

3. Static Displays. I was told that the Curtis Pusher or Triad should arrive at North Island February 1st Actual ETA is unknown. Most Static display       aircraft should arrive on the 9th or 10th  arrivals on the 8th are also possible. Not all aircraft will fly in under their own power.

Thats all I have for now

Quote from: rander on January 28, 2011, 05:06:57 PM

Thats all I have for now

I have some more info for everyone:

1. Stennis will be at Pier K, about 1/8th mile from the main show area. There will be a walking path and shuttle buses.
2. Peleliu will be at Pier L.  (Walk further East once at Stennis)

But the stuff we REALLY care about:

Reference: http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1101/00374AD.PDF (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1101/00374AD.PDF)

3. The static displays outdoor CONA display and event area will be to the ramp West of Building 340/341. (Two black hangers.) The CONA will area will wrap to the West of Bldg 272/273.  That is where the entrance will be.  This is the area surrounded by TXWY J and K, North of TXWY L.
4. Around Helipad 2, North of Bldg 271/273 will be the CONA VIP Chalet.

Now here's the interesting thing:
5. On a .ppt I've seen (but can't share), the Parade of flight route takes a hard left turn and heads RIGHT DOWN RNWY 18.  I'm not sure if it is accurate, or just quick and dirty powerpointmanship.

I'm going to guess that it's just a sloppy powerpoint graphic, we'll have to see how it turns out.  ;D

Quote from: kick Z tail out on January 28, 2011, 12:52:59 PM
Hey, I think this is a good use of FSX as an intelligence gathering tool  ;)  :D


Here is a video of what I am interpreting as the parade route... in a high speed pass down the route:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtN6JqXrBA

Watch in HD when available... (for some reason 720p is smoothest)

From what I saw in Nate's Video, My orginal thought of being in the Static Display area at North Island is still the Best place to be for pics of the Parade of Flight.

On Facebook Today.. Static Display, Not a very good image

Are they getting the tomcat from the Midway museum?

I guess I have a few questions regarding this event. Can the regular public attend Friday and if so what time should we arrive?  For Saturday, what time should one arrive? Where should one possibly set up? Are others going that know this location?

Thanks,

Sean

Quote from: seaninsa on February 01, 2011, 11:52:45 AM
I guess I have a few questions regarding this event. Can the regular public attend Friday and if so what time should we arrive?  For Saturday, what time should one arrive? Where should one possibly set up? Are others going that know this location?

Thanks,

Sean

I believe Friday is for media only.

I would get there EARLY for Saturday. The last figure I heard was 60,000 expected. Try imagining even half of that trying to make it over the bridge in the morning.

I know that others here might try and set up outside of the island but I'm not sure who or where. Hopefully, others will chime in and help get you contected.

g

Quote from: GTagami on February 01, 2011, 12:06:53 PM
Try imagining even half of that trying to make it over the bridge in the morning.

Exactly... it's gonna be a nightmare. I may just go over to Dog Beach at 0500 and sit there. No kidding. I know it's overkill, but I seriously want no part in the traffic crapfest that is going to ensue... traffic in Coronado is not pretty on a normal day, I can only imagine in my wildest nightmares what it's going to look like on the 12th.

I wouldn't waste my time going on friday unless I was getting on base. So, for anyone that didn't apply for media, I'd just show up saturday if I were you.

Rander, glad I could help with the brain storming.  ;D

Quote from: kick Z tail out on February 01, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
Exactly... it's gonna be a nightmare. I may just go over to Dog Beach at 0500 and sit there. No kidding. I know it's overkill, but I seriously want no part in the traffic crapfest that is going to ensue... traffic in Coronado is not pretty on a normal day, I can only imagine in my wildest nightmares what it's going to look like on the 12th.

I wouldn't waste my time going on friday unless I was getting on base. So, for anyone that didn't apply for media, I'd just show up saturday if I were you.

Rander, glad I could help with the brain storming.  ;D

I am wondering, depending on how far from the hotel it is, if it would be good to just walk to the base on Friday and/or Saturday?

So would Dog Beach be a good spot? Not sure where it is but I will look it up. I can imagne that going over that bridge would be a zoo. I have only been across it one time.

Quote from: phantomphan1974 on February 01, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
I am wondering, depending on how far from the hotel it is, if it would be good to just walk to the base on Friday and/or Saturday?

It is almost 2 miles one way from the main gate to the statics area.

Quote from: SBGrad on February 01, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
It is almost 2 miles one way from the main gate to the statics area.

Oh, a bit of a walk I guess.

Quote from: phantomphan1974 on February 01, 2011, 03:21:29 PM
Oh, a bit of a walk I guess.

Umm, yeah, I would hate to sherpa all that equipment that far.

Yep, there's going to be a ton of walking. Would be nice if they gave us a closer area to park our vehicles on friday though...  <laughing>

Quote from: seaninsa on February 01, 2011, 01:41:01 PM
So would Dog Beach be a good spot? Not sure where it is but I will look it up. I can imagne that going over that bridge would be a zoo. I have only been across it one time.

For the show itself, probably not at all... Dog Beach is the beach just off to the left of the main base gate.

Quote from: aero-engineer on January 28, 2011, 09:47:17 PM
I have some more info for everyone:


Now here's the interesting thing:
5. On a .ppt I've seen (but can't share), the Parade of flight route takes a hard left turn and heads RIGHT DOWN RNWY 18.  I'm not sure if it is accurate, or just quick and dirty powerpointmanship.

Item 5 from what i heard an official at NI state not likely to happen.

We Midway Museum Hanger Volunteers are going to have a Pot Luck Picnic on the 12th at our Hanger so I'll be on base early and I'll walk over to the static display probally before it gets filled up with people and then about 10  or 10;30 Head back to the Midway Hanger for food and a soda and a nap. Get out my back yard lounger and get comfy and wait for the Parade of flight to begin. Or I could wander out on the NAS NI fishing pier and watch from there.

Quote from: kick Z tail out on February 01, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
Exactly... it's gonna be a nightmare. I may just go over to Dog Beach at 0500 and sit there. No kidding. I know it's overkill, but I seriously want no part in the traffic crapfest that is going to ensue... traffic in Coronado is not pretty on a normal day, I can only imagine in my wildest nightmares what it's going to look like on the 12th.

I wouldn't waste my time going on friday unless I was getting on base. So, for anyone that didn't apply for media, I'd just show up saturday if I were you.

Rander, glad I could help with the brain storming.  ;D

as For Dog Beach, I believe I'd rethink that, Dog Beach would be fantastic on the 8th,9th or 10th when the static displays that can arrive under their own power will fly in. John Cullver arrives around "mid day" on the 10th in the War Dog.

Quote from: phantomphan1974 on February 01, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
I am wondering, depending on how far from the hotel it is, if it would be good to just walk to the base on Friday and/or Saturday?

Conservatively I'd say from the Hotel del Coronado to the Static Display your looking at about 2- 2.5 miles one way. I.d say if your driving to NI try hitting the main gate between 7 and 7:20 by that time they might actually be setup to let people in for the day. Festivities in the Static Display begin at 9am, and you might get some  up close parking. Withan anticipated 50,000 Plus comming on board and 1300 Dignataries as invited guests of the USS Stennis. It'll be a ZOO for sure.

Quote from: seaninsa on February 01, 2011, 01:41:01 PM
So would Dog Beach be a good spot? Not sure where it is but I will look it up. I can imagne that going over that bridge would be a zoo. I have only been across it one time.

I'd say if you are going to watch from a beach The Silver Strand Beach would be better, Take a look at the image in post 64 this thread where the green arrows cross the beach into SD Harbor and set up there for the Parade of Flight. If you want the CAG 9 flyover Dog Beach might be ok. Just a thought.   AS a reminder The CAG-9 flyover is a one time, one way event.

FYI - a source of mine said he was told that the flybys will be at 1500 ft.   :-\

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on February 01, 2011, 09:19:54 PM
FYI - a source of mine said he was told that the flybys will be at 1500 ft.   :-\

Kevin
aero-engineer

For the CVW-9 flyover, that's pretty much what I expected... for the parade aircraft, that is extremely high. I don't think the parade aircraft will be that high at all though. Especially the warbirds, they'd be dots. I think somebody got some wires crossed. :)

Quote from: rander on February 01, 2011, 07:23:50 PM
as For Dog Beach, I believe I'd rethink that, Dog Beach would be fantastic on the 8th,9th or 10th when the static displays that can arrive under their own power will fly in. John Cullver arrives around "mid day" on the 10th in the War Dog.

I'm just talking about sitting there as I wait for the vehicle lineup to start... I won't be there the 8th, 9th or 10th... I live too far away to camp out the entire week.

Quote from: aero-engineer on February 01, 2011, 09:19:54 PM
FYI - a source of mine said he was told that the flybys will be at 1500 ft.   :-\

Kevin
aero-engineer

Something tells me that the flybys, from a photographers point of view, are not going to be spectacular.

Quote from: Realbigtaco on February 02, 2011, 06:57:40 AM
Something tells me that the flybys, from a photographers point of view, are not going to be spectacular.

I wouldn't get real worried about the 1500 feet just yet... if the parade aircraft are at 1500 feet then I'd definitely have to laugh at the fact that they are putting grandstands up. What altitude were the Red Bull aircraft at? I wouldn't expect the parade aircraft to be 8 times higher... maybe 2 or 3 times, but not 8...

Quote from: kick Z tail out on February 02, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
I wouldn't get real worried about the 1500 feet just yet... if the parade aircraft are at 1500 feet then I'd definitely have to laugh at the fact that they are putting grandstands up. What altitude were the Red Bull aircraft at? I wouldn't expect the parade aircraft to be 8 times higher... maybe 2 or 3 times, but not 8...

I would imagine it will look like this:

i was hopeing the Paeade of Flight would be at 300 ft. I really dont want to have to use my tamron 200-500. i prefer my 70-300 instead. at 1,500 Feet I may not have an option.

I haven't heard to much about this one, but could be kind of cool:

Naval Aviation Film Screening: Hollywood & North Island
Date: February 5, 2011
Time: 2:00 pm - 4:00 pm
Location: Lowry Theater, Naval Air Station North Island (NASNI)

The Coronado Historical Association (CHA), in collaboration with the
Office of Morale, Welfare & Recreation of Navy Region Southwest and the
USS Midway museum's Historian Karl Zingheim, will present a two-hour
educational program on Saturday, February 5, from 2-4 pm, at the Naval
Air Station North Island (NASNI) Theater. "Hollywood and North Island"
will feature a variety of movie clips and a full-length film that
portrays North Island and its naval aviators.

Karl Zingheim will present a montage of clips from various films and
speak about North Island as a shooting location for Hollywood films. In
the lobby of the theater, CHA will provide a preview of their newest
exhibit, WINGS OF GOLD: CORONADO AND NAVAL AVIATION exhibit. A feature
film made in 1941, Dive Bomber, starring Fred MacMurray and Errol Flynn,
will be shown. The film is in color and includes many scenes shot on
base at Naval Air Station North Island.

During the event, CHA will honor Frank "Spig" Wead, a former naval
aviator whose career was known for his flight against British pilots in
the international seaplane races off the Isle of Wright in 1923, when
American naval fliers took all the honors. His life took a turn after an
accident in 1926, just after moving into his home in Coronado. Running
down the stairs after hearing his daughter scream, he fell and broke his
neck resulting in paralysis.

A determined and hardworking man, Frank turned to screenwriting and has
to his credit Hell Divers (1931), Airmail (1932), Ceiling Zero (1936),
Test Pilot (1938), The Citadel (1938), Dive Bomber (1941), and Destroyer
(1943). John Ford directed a film called The Wings of Eagles in 1957,
starring John Wayne, portraying Wead's contributions to naval aviation.

This event is free and open to the general public. Civilians are welcome
to walk into the base via the Pass & Decal parking lot, adjacent to the
Stockdale Gate, on the corner of 3rd Street and Alameda Boulevard. Once
on base it's a short walk to the theater. Walk straight ahead, turn left
at the first signal light and the theater will be on the right hand
side. If you would like to RSVP and pre-register your vehicle to drive
on base for the Film Festival, please call 619-545-0046 or email
Debora.Allen@navy.mil. For information about the Film Festival, please
call 619-545-8042.

I am coming from Temecula on the 12th.... What time do you guys recommend leaving if I want to cross the bridge and avoid the crazy traffic?

Quote from: SDAztec25 on February 02, 2011, 03:17:45 PM
I am coming from Temecula on the 12th.... What time do you guys recommend leaving if I want to cross the bridge and avoid the crazy traffic?

IIRC, the gates open at 800am.  Takes about 1 1/4 hrs to drive down, so you're leaving at approx 630am just to get there when the gates open.  If you want to skip traffic, you'll have to leave earlier.   How early do you want to wake up?

I've seen traffic backed up from the gate, all the way through town, all the way across the bridge for a work day, but I don't know how many people were coming to work, nor do I know how long it takes to get through such a line.

I figure if I leave around 5 as I live in Santa Ana I should get there early enough to get in line. Be interesting to see how they handle the traffic situation. Not sure why they are holding it at North Island with the amount of people that plan to show up.

If you are able to get on base Saturday, where should one sit up? Is anyone interested in carpooling down?

Sean

It's happening at NASNI for historical significance, and the wow factor of a high profile kick off event through San Diego Bay. :)

Got my media approval confimation letter today... there will be a media tent at show center, but it makes no mention of being on the flight deck of the Stennis, so I'd guess that's a no.

It's going to be a lot of fun however it goes, I'm looking forward to it. (Have been on diaper and bottle detail for the last 2 months -- getting a bit stir crazy). ;)

One bit of good news for those who have Media Credentials on Sat.

The gate the MEDIA will use on Sat is the VIP gate and not the one the gen public will use to enter the base.

Thats good to hear about the entrance for Saturday.

Did I read somewhere that MEDIA also gets to park in a designated lot?

So how about us that do not have a media pass lol. Would five am be a good time to leave? Where would one recommend to set up on the base? I am curious if anyone would like to carpool down?

Sean

I just got approved for media as well. Yes there will be a special place for media to park, and a tent with show center view of the Parade of Flight.

allthough is is not really an airshow, still there's a showcenter...   :D
looking forward to the whole thing!

Robert

i got media for this gig as well, maybe i'll see some of you guys there  ;D

I'll be wearing an X-47B shirt.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I'll be in the Static Display area with a green USS Midway cap with yellow writing and 3 Centennial logo pins on the front and with a Canon Camera around my neck.i may also be wearing a denim shirt.Both Friday and Saturday. I'll volinteer at the Midway Hanger then walk over to the static area.

Quote from: Realbigtaco on February 02, 2011, 03:03:46 PM
I haven't heard to much about this one, but could be kind of cool:

Naval Aviation Film Screening: Hollywood & North Island
Date: February 5, 2011
Time: 2:00 pm - 4:00 pm
Location: Lowry Theater, Naval Air Station North Island (NASNI)

The Coronado Historical Association (CHA), in collaboration with the
Office of Morale, Welfare & Recreation of Navy Region Southwest and the
USS Midway museum's Historian Karl Zingheim, will present a two-hour
educational program on Saturday, February 5, from 2-4 pm, at the Naval
Air Station North Island (NASNI) Theater. "Hollywood and North Island"
will feature a variety of movie clips and a full-length film that
portrays North Island and its naval aviators.

A feature film made in 1941, Dive Bomber, starring Fred MacMurray and Errol Flynn,
will be shown. The film is in color and includes many scenes shot on
base at Naval Air Station North Island.

I went and it was pretty cool.  The 'clips' were a few scenes from 'Dive Bomber' (which we were going to see in its entirety in a couple minutes) and of course, 'Top Gun', which shot a few scenes at North Island.

Dive Bomber was awesome.  The  'dive bomber' of the title was the Vindicator, and the Navy provided LOTs of them.  Many many flying scenes, with lots of aircraft.  Lots of Stearmans, F3F biplanes, Devastators, some PBYs used in static shots.  I was looking for Wildcats and or Dauntlesses, but didn't see any.   The part of a 'RAF fighter' was played by a repainted P-26 Peashooter! A Lockheed Electra was in a bunch of scenes, and my buddy said he saw a B-24 in one scene, but I missed it.  A couple minutes worth of carrier ops off the original Big E.   LSOs using paddles!

Half a dozen buildings at North Island that are still there.  In some scenes there is only one of the big seaplane hangars, sometimes 2, sometimes the 2nd one is under construction, but I guess they hadn't heard of continuity in those days.  The lighthouse at Pt Loma was buzzed, the field at North Island was buzzed-- repeatedly!  My naval aviator buddy couldn't believe how low they were flying over the flightline.

Anyhow, if you can find it on TV or DVD it would be worth a viewing.

I own Dive Bomber, which i believe stars Errol Flynn, GREAT flying sequences, there are so many great classics with our local airports as the star. Turner Classic Movies runs them all the time, in fact they do a two day marathon featuring aviation and military based films from the 30's and 40's, either Veterans Day of Memorial Day. Want to to see some great flying, check out Fighter Squadron, with Hugh O'Brien and Robert Stack, all color footage of a P-47 squadron over Berlin.

Anyway, dont mean do drag off topic.....carrion!

Quote from: SBGrad on February 06, 2011, 05:19:38 AM
I went and it was pretty cool.  The 'clips' were a few scenes from 'Dive Bomber' (which we were going to see in its entirety in a couple minutes) and of course, 'Top Gun', which shot a few scenes at North Island.

Dive Bomber was awesome.  The  'dive bomber' of the title was the Vindicator, and the Navy provided LOTs of them.  Many many flying scenes, with lots of aircraft.  Lots of Stearmans, F3F biplanes, Devastators, some PBYs used in static shots.  I was looking for Wildcats and or Dauntlesses, but didn't see any.   The part of a 'RAF fighter' was played by a repainted P-26 Peashooter! A Lockheed Electra was in a bunch of scenes, and my buddy said he saw a B-24 in one scene, but I missed it.  A couple minutes worth of carrier ops off the original Big E.   LSOs using paddles!

Half a dozen buildings at North Island that are still there.  In some scenes there is only one of the big seaplane hangars, sometimes 2, sometimes the 2nd one is under construction, but I guess they hadn't heard of continuity in those days.  The lighthouse at Pt Loma was buzzed, the field at North Island was buzzed-- repeatedly!  My naval aviator buddy couldn't believe how low they were flying over the flightline.

Anyhow, if you can find it on TV or DVD it would be worth a viewing.

I was there too and "Dive Bomber" is a great movie. Lots of great flying footage and lots of aircraft, a few scens of pre WWII North Island. Actors back in the day sure smoked alot. Nearly every indoor scene they were pulling out a cigarette and lighting up. Some of the outdoor scenes too. Any way I enjoyed it beginning to end. The Centennial week activites are officially started.

I don't know how valid this is, I over heard at the end of the parade of flight there is or maybe a mass fly by of all the 190 aircraft or    as many as possible at the end of the day between 3 and  4 pm. THe Blue Angels may not be part of the mass fly by but everything  else could be. 

Heres a couple of possible CONA participants at 12'o clock high.

Quote from: rander on February 06, 2011, 07:31:08 AM
I don't know how valid this is, I over heard at the end of the parade of flight there is or maybe a mass fly by of all the 190 aircraft or    as many as possible at the end of the day between 3 and  4 pm. THe Blue Angels may not be part of the mass fly by but everything  else could be. 

Sounds like a possible mis-interpretation of the AW9 flyover, but we'll see.

Kevin
aero-engineer

Quote from: aero-engineer on February 06, 2011, 04:52:32 PM
Sounds like a possible mis-interpretation of the AW9 flyover, but we'll see.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I concur, sounds like it's misinterpreted.

Weather Forcast through the weekend calls for temps in the 67-72 along the costal strip and lots of sunshine  Friday and Saturday.

finally some good news, haha. good to see THAT!!
thx rander,

Robert

I'll be in the ground pattern on Saturday ;)

First let me appologize for the statement I made in reply #124  second Paragraph,I asked some people today at NI and said that probally not likely to happen.

I also heard that the Coast Guard and others like Naval Security, The San Diego Harbor Police and THe San Diego City Police are going to heavily patrol the waters of San Diego harbor to keep small water craft and boats out of the Parade of Flight route, the line of green arrows in reply #64.The boats will be confiscated they doing that because incase an aircraft  goes down it won't take a small boat  and the people onboard down too.

This was on signonsandiego today, along with a good preview.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/north-island-base-celebrates-100-years-flight-open/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/north-island-base-celebrates-100-years-flight-open/)

The Stennis airwing is headed into Miramar tomorrow.  Would be nice to see them fly in.  I wonder if they are flying in large formations?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/carrier-aircraft-final-preparations-historic-flyov/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/carrier-aircraft-final-preparations-historic-flyov/)

I hope they have an f-14 tomcat flying or at list in static display i would relly like to see one flying

Quote from: raptorf22 on February 08, 2011, 11:19:47 PM
I hope they have an f-14 tomcat flying or at list in static display i would relly like to see one flying

Don't hold your breath, asphyxiation is a terrible way to go out  ;)

Static will happen... one of the typical museum shells with plywood stuffed in the intakes. Actually it could be one of the Midway's aircraft from what I heard. If that's the case, I love everything about their Tomcat but the plexiglass panel cover on the M61. Of course if the Navy was on top of their game and pulled one of those VF-31 Tomcats out of AMARC to fly in the parade I would gladly eat my hat. Still, would never happen.

Quote from: Realbigtaco on February 08, 2011, 10:44:30 PM
The Stennis airwing is headed into Miramar tomorrow.  Would be nice to see them fly in.  I wonder if they are flying in large formations?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/carrier-aircraft-final-preparations-historic-flyov/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/08/carrier-aircraft-final-preparations-historic-flyov/)

They probably will be doing a standard full scale flyoff... dang it... I wish I could be down there for that. Too bad Miramar is so unfriendly to photogs.

Quote from: raptorf22 on February 08, 2011, 11:19:47 PM
I hope they have an f-14 tomcat flying or at list in static display i would relly like to see one flying

Two Tomcats in the SD area that I know of

BUNO 158978 onboard the Midway
BUNO 159629 at the San Diegi Air and Space Museum's El Cajon facility

Other than whatever Iran can hold together with duct tape and bailing wire, there aren't any flying F-14's left are there?   I thought all were chopped up at the ARMARC or shipped of to museums.

there is another one in the museum in chino not plane of fame the Yanks museum have one last time i saw it the girl siad it was  in flying conditions but they were not allowed to fly it  i don't know if still there but i will check

Quote from: nmcbride on February 09, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Other than whatever Iran can hold together with duct tape and bailing wire, there aren't any flying F-14's left are there?   I thought all were chopped up at the ARMARC or shipped of to museums.

Well I'm not sure what the current picture is, but as of a few months ago there were some of the last VF-31 birds still in flying condition and intact out at AMARC. Would be nice if they didn't tear every last one of em up.

Quote from: raptorf22 on February 09, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
there is another one in the museum in chino not plane of fame the Yanks museum have one last time i saw it the girl siad it was  in flying conditions but they were not allowed to fly it  i don't know if still there but i will check

Yanks had 2 seized by the federal government, including the one you speak of. It wasn't in flying condition, but did have it's engines and was the most intact Tomcat in civilian hands. It was taken to AMARC and shredded along with 3 others.

It is a sad end for such great aircraft then 20 yrs from now we wont even have one tosee just like the planes from other eras that now are hard to find why desttroy keep some for other generations to see my son never got to see a real tomcat flying he seen them on videos and thats itnavy is too greedy   the iranias still have some flying we should never understimate them there is a site called patricksaviation .com there is allot of pics of iranian f-14 in there and other inf about irans armed forces chek it out

Quote from: raptorf22 on February 09, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
It is a sad end for such great aircraft then 20 yrs from now we wont even have one tosee just like the planes from other eras that now are hard to find why desttroy keep some for other generations to see my son never got to see a real tomcat flying he seen them on videos and thats itnavy is too greedy   the iranias still have some flying we should never understimate them there is a site called patricksaviation .com there is allot of pics of iranian f-14 in there and other inf about irans armed forces chek it out

I agree they shouldn't be underestimated... at the same time, the US Government is overestimating the threat of the Tomcat... those Iranian Tomcats are the entire reason we went and destroyed all of ours. We're so afraid that the Iranians are going to get their hands on a swing wing actuator gear or leading edge flap transmission that we took hundreds of our own aircraft and shredded them to pieces. It is sad, I definitely agree there.

It's sad because like you said, 50 years from now we won't have any tangible rememberance of the Tomcat like we have for the P-38, P-47 and P-51 today. There will be nothing. It's also sad that we're so afraid that Iran is going to refit their dilapidated 30 year old F-14s that we did what we did. Those Iranian Tomcats pose very little threat to us, even if they someday, somehow manage to refit them. They're way out of date and outclassed even by *gasp* the Superhornet in almost every category except speed, and their crews suck. The Hughes AWG-9 was incredible in it's day... now, it's not such a big deal even though it still has good reach.

Now if only we could spoof the North Koreans into shredding all their Flankers and Fulcrums like morons (like we did) we'd be set.

Which size lens is everyone planning on bringing? Never shot big formations before so idk what to bring really

Quote from: g0_command0 on February 09, 2011, 04:25:56 PM
Which size lens is everyone planning on bringing? Never shot big formations before so idk what to bring really

I'm bringing my only 2 lenses and hoping one of them works.  :-[

Ok now im going cuz i got approved for the media..YaY YaY

WTF, I looked at the map of aircraft and no F-4 Phantom II!  One of the most significant aircraft for both the Navy and USMC?   Could have borrowed Leathernecks or Midways?

Quote from: g0_command0 on February 09, 2011, 04:25:56 PM
Which size lens is everyone planning on bringing? Never shot big formations before so idk what to bring really

300mm
70-200mm
17-40mm

Hopefully that covers it, if I ever make in if traffic is as bad as it sounds.

What's the best way in?  Up from the South or across the bridge?    Other than Mirimar last year, I haven't been down in SD area since the early-mid 90s.

Quote from: nmcbride on February 09, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Other than whatever Iran can hold together with duct tape and bailing wire, there aren't any flying F-14's left are there?   I thought all were chopped up at the ARMARC or shipped of to museums.

I think there only 1 Tomcat left at AMARC, I think the BUNO may be 159621 It was a MIG killer in the Gulf of Sidra in Muammar al Gaddafi Line of Death deal back in 1984 or 1985 If I remember correctly. AMARC moved the Tomcat to their Planes of Fame line.

Quote from: nmcbride on February 09, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
300mm
70-200mm
17-40mm

Hopefully that covers it, if I ever make in if traffic is as bad as it sounds.

What's the best way in?  Up from the South or across the bridge?    Other than Miramar last year, I haven't been down in SD area since the early-mid 90s.

Go to the bridge, going around south will add about 10 miles or so....and i don't think will save much time.  If you are worried about traffic leave really early, plan on getting to the gate at 8am, and you should be alright.

Thanks.   I am envisioning the hours long entry and exit traffic jam during an Edwards open house.   I never seem to avoid that no matter how early I arrive or late I stay. :o

Quote from: g0_command0 on February 09, 2011, 04:25:56 PM
Which size lens is everyone planning on bringing? Never shot big formations before so idk what to bring really

100-400
300 w/1.4 TC
70-200
24-105
17-40
2x camera bodies

2X bodies
100-400
24-105
fisheye
G12
monopod
remote

Quote from: g0_command0 on February 09, 2011, 04:25:56 PM
Which size lens is everyone planning on bringing? Never shot big formations before so idk what to bring really

Just look at my signature lineup, all of those + 24mm f/2.8 and a tc-20.

As of 800am this morning, none of the ships were tied up at North Island.  The E-6 and MH-60R retro were in the statics area, but other than those 2 it looked pretty empty.  Guess all the heavy aircraft moving is taking place today.

I can see the Nimitz coming into the bay right now from my office window.

Only got a very quick look, but I just saw what may have been a PBY Catalina flying low in a northbound direction just off the coast near Torry Pines State Beach.

2X bodies
200-400
300 w/ 1.4 tc
70-200
18-35

Oh, forgot to mention lenses:
400mm
80-400mm
28-105mm
2 camera bodies (including my beloved new 7D)

My wife will be shooting with a 300mm and one additional camera boy

Just checked in to hotel.

Can't wait to meet the 1,499 media members attending. 

Quote from: Realbigtaco on February 10, 2011, 11:45:05 AM
I can see the Nimitz coming into the bay right now from my office window.

it was the Stennis ;)

Yep, and pretty cool of them to leave a Prowler and Super on the flight deck for us... at Cat 1 and 2 no less. :) Much better than touring an empty deck. I suspect there will be a few hangar queens below decks as dressing as well. Just a guess though.

S-3, Growler, T-34,T-6B, VX-31Hornet, Prowler, TC-12B, TopGun 40th F-16 CoNA birds showed up today Seen from dog Beach

7D with Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

50D with Canon EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM

24 gigs of cards mostly 2's and 4's.

Two extra sets of batteries.

A cooler with two bottles of water and two footlong Subway subs to eat while parked in line  ;)

My take on this event; there will be 115,999 aviation photographers and a housewife from Poughkeepsie.

32 Minutes from in the car to downtown to get off base

Quote from: Code20photog on February 12, 2011, 06:26:08 PM
32 Minutes from in the car to downtown to get off base

Lucky.... Took me 2 1/2 hours just to get off the tarmac.

Quote from: gfydad on February 12, 2011, 09:08:27 PM
Couplefrom today...  :D

Jim here is my quote from the last T-34 shot..."No wait i thought i was following you!?!?

 <rolf>

I'm curious if anyone stayed around until sunset.

I opted at the last moment to cut out right after the parade of flight ended @ 3PM.
I made it across the bridge by 4PM, and into Anaheim by 5:30PM.

Kevin
aero-engineer

My thoughts about the fly over and in general the whole day. I was very disappointed that there were none of the following aircraft displayed: A1, A4, A6, A7, F4, and the F14. In terms of helos I was surprised that there were no S3's flown at all. That was the workhorse of the Navy for the longest time.

In terms of the show, the warbirds flew to high imo. The flyover from the air wing of the Stennis was impressive but what sucked is how it came out of the west. It was hard to get good shots of it.

The biggest issue was the parking issue. We were parked in the north lot. It took us nearly 3 hours to leave. It seemed that a lot of the MP's were sitting around doing nothing. It seemed to me that they were allowing the south lot only to exit. You would think they would have some from one lot exit then have some from the other lot exit.

I was also surprised in the lack of food vendors. In fact a couple of the food vendors had ran out of bottled water.

The website stated no outside but nothing about drink and also just no glass containers. This one MP was saying that you could bring in bottled water from the outside but not in a plastic container. They did not search my bag throughly as I had a plastic container. It was funny how they said no bikes either. We saw a few of those in the event as well.

The annourcer for the Marine air part also made a comment that VMF 214 had been in Iraq in 2000. If I am not mistaken the invasion of Iraq did not even occur until 2003.

I would like to see what other people's opinions are regarding the event in general.

Quote from: seaninsa on February 14, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
My thoughts about the fly over and in general the whole day. I was very disappointed that there were none of the following aircraft displayed: A1, A4, A6, A7, F4, and the F14. In terms of helos I was surprised that there were no S3's flown at all. That was the workhorse of the Navy for the longest time.

There are no F-14s or A-6s to fly. EA-6B is as close as you can get. The F-4... there is only one, and they couldn't get it although they tried.

On the A-1 and A-4, I agree with you there. Those could have happened but they didn't.

Surprised that there are no flying F14's considering the short amount of time since they got rid of them. Are there any A7's even flying? How about the old SeaKing helos are there any of those flying anymore?

Quote from: seaninsa on February 14, 2011, 05:55:53 PM
Surprised that there are no flying F14's considering the short amount of time since they got rid of them.

Little time was wasted disposing of those not sent off to museums. :'(

http://tomcatsforever.com/?tag=amarc

Quote from: aero-engineer on February 13, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
I'm curious if anyone stayed around until sunset.

I opted at the last moment to cut out right after the parade of flight ended @ 3PM.
I made it across the bridge by 4PM, and into Anaheim by 5:30PM.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I know a few did until it was dark, check flickr.

Quote from: desert rat on February 15, 2011, 06:26:14 AM
We stuck around till the sunset and it cleared out pretty
Well around the statics.  After the sunset we headed for the car and it was not that bad to drive off the base.
Got some nice $#!7s in that golden light though..

Which parking lot were you in? We were in the north one and it did not empty at all into after sunset. They seemed to be emptying only the south one. A bunch of people started to get mad at the MPs because they were only emptying the one parking lot.

Washington Post Supplement for the Centennial of Naval Aviation 2/9/11:
http://navalaviation100.org/images/stories/NavalAviation100.org-WashingtonPost.pdf (http://navalaviation100.org/images/stories/NavalAviation100.org-WashingtonPost.pdf)

Quote from: aero-engineer on February 13, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
I'm curious if anyone stayed around until sunset.

I opted at the last moment to cut out right after the parade of flight ended @ 3PM.
I made it across the bridge by 4PM, and into Anaheim by 5:30PM.

Kevin
aero-engineer

I was in my car by 5:00 and on Coronado bridge by 7:10...talk about slow off the base. I had understood though that the CHP had closed the bridge causing confusion as to letting traffic off or on the island. By the time I was off the bridge I was home by 9:00 (Santa Ana).