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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2010, 11:36:53 PM »
Gnarly shots Damon! Cant wait to see the YF-23 when it is on display at WMOF. <thumbup>
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 01:07:23 AM »
The YF-23 was actually the better plane in the ATF competition, but as we saw with the KC-30 debacle, the best plane doesn't always win.

And, the YF-23 actually used to be at the old WMoF in Hawthorne. It in a sense, returning.

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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2010, 06:36:49 PM »
It's too bad the YF-23 did'nt win the ATF competition. Very nice plane. Though the F-22 sure is an awesome machine.
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 12:17:10 AM »
What frustrates me about the WMoF, is this is going to sit outside, rotting away and will likely never get restored anywhere close to what it once looked like. The YF-17 should be a better museum, fully restored, and INDOORS.






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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2010, 01:48:20 AM »
What frustrates me about the WMoF, is this is going to sit outside, rotting away and will likely never get restored anywhere close to what it once looked like. The YF-17 should be a better museum, fully restored, and INDOORS.



Agreed.

Looks like the other prototype is safely tucked under the nose of the surviving XB-70, indoors,  at Wright-Patterson.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090629-F-1234K-015.jpg
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2010, 04:54:24 AM »
Agreed.

Looks like the other prototype is safely tucked under the nose of the surviving XB-70, indoors,  at Wright-Patterson.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090629-F-1234K-015.jpg
Yep, its also the darker colored one too.
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2010, 08:48:44 AM »
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2010, 08:52:53 AM »
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if this is indeed PAV-2. The example in the AF museum says "Grey Ghost" on the nose gear door, and this one says "Spider"

PAV-1 was the "Black Widow" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27044274@N06/3982740548/in/pool-43833607@N00/)

PAV-2 was the "Grey Ghost"

Is this really PAV-2?

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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2010, 11:34:08 PM »
I think there is an error being propagated out there on the web.

The darker P&W powered PAV-1 (800) was "Grey Ghost" and the lighter GE powered PAV-2 (801) was "Spider".

The contractor dubbed "Black Widow II" moniker was for the YF-23/F-23 in general, as was the contractor dubbed "Lightning II" for the YF-22/F-22.

Once they put the tails on, you will see it is PAV-2.

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Re: Western Museum of Flight - Torrance
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2010, 01:27:13 AM »
I think there is an error being propagated out there on the web.

The darker P&W powered PAV-1 (800) was "Grey Ghost" and the lighter GE powered PAV-2 (801) was "Spider".

The contractor dubbed "Black Widow II" moniker was for the YF-23/F-23 in general, as was the contractor dubbed "Lightning II" for the YF-22/F-22.

Once they put the tails on, you will see it is PAV-2.


OK. Everything I've seen on the web has the two names reversed.

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